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I think you misunderstand..........Chkdisc doesn't show any errors! I don't want chkdisk to stop running when it has to, it's not running on every reboot/boot anyway. It's the error from chkntfs and the error within Jet Defrag (Fix It Utilities from vCom formerly Ontrack) that is the problem! Bottom line something is wrong when chkntfs says the directory is dirty. I did make a image of the drive also and I tried that route, but the same thing after it was restored! I ran the drfrag problem on the 2nd partition and it worked fine.

Well I tried it again and it worked! I did it the same way as the other 2 times, got the same messages within the command prompt and received the same text durning the process. There are 700k of bad sectors on that partition, could it be the process hiccuped at one of them and just canceled the operation without any notice?

I tried it twice from a command prompt and checked it on the next boot. Same thing it is still FAT32. The process went as C did but it was much shorter. There were no error messages either before it rebooted or after. Shouldn't have to clear off D drive especially since it worked with a active drive!

I just got a 80GB drive and I think it would be best to finally go with NTFS, but all my other drives are FAT32 ( 3 more on 2 separate boxes both running 2k). No other changes other than removing a 20GB and replacing it with a 80GB. Both drives now are bootable and have 2 partitions each. I'm not sure how I would partition the 80GB yet since that is 2 1/2 times larger than anything I have had before. My questions are: 1. Just how to do this considering that the old drive is FAT32 and I want to image that to the new active partition. I can't just take that image and copy it the the NTFS drive could I? 2. Since the backup programs are FAT32 would it be best to burn these to a CD and then transfer back to the 2nd partition? 3. There would be a problem with the other drive being FAT32 as far as transfering between the 2 drives or reading from each other, correct? 4. My 2nd box is FAT32 also, would that be the same problem transfering between the 2 boxes?

The new drive is just that, new. Nothing to convert. If I partitioned and formatted the virgin drive to NTFS, could I take that FAT32 version (for lack of a better term) image and just restore it to the new drive without the command line stuff that I don't like to do in the frist palce?

No, that's not a typpo, a friend has a computer dated 11/94 that lists a Z.I.F. local bus for the Motherboard. It goes on to describe it as "allowing you to upgrade your system in the future as oppose to replacing it". It lists a 66MHz 486DX2, 8MB of RAM, a 450MB HDD, 1MB of VL/VESA for Video RAM and Windows 3.1 & DOS 6.21; a really hot system w/ monitor and 14.4 baud modem for only $1900! The only think I can think would be one of those LPX MB's with the separate connector board that the MB and the add on cards all plug into. Anyone ever hear of this term?? I know today that ZIF is a CPU socket, but this is 1994 I'm talking about here.

Running XP, the taskbar and start meun are hidden as the autohide is checked, but isn't. Just by moving the cursor to the lower part of the destop doesn't make it scroll up as it should. I tried the end task and new task in Task Manager for Explorer trick that works in 2k, but it didn't here. It does show in safe mode though. I'm not familar with XP at all, this is on a friends box. There are other problems also, but this is the most important. He has almost every program on the planet stored in his box and half of them loaded (as always, I can't reason with him not to do this, he has to have the latest and greatest everything available). There are about 10 programs/processes loading at startup that isn't helping this either (he always does a default install and rarely does a custom and runs everyting in 'auto'). Any ideas without reinstalling or doing a repair on the O/S?

Dito............

I haven't even seen the box. I did think there might be a connection to that VESA local bus and this, but I figured it might be 2 different things.

I had another thread that was tied into this question, but at the time I thought it was another issue. The drive was NTFS and I changed it back to FAT32. Now I'm running into the same problem, but the drive was Fat32 already. I have always used Fdisk to partition my hard drives. I deleted the partition, create a primary and a extended and format them within Windows setup. The drives were/are 20GB. I'm confortable with it and at this basic level it seems to work fine. I only create 2 partitions, nothing fancy. After doing so, I use a bootable CD with 2k and sp3 slipstreamed to install the O/S. I don't know if this is the reason or something else, but the last two times I did this, when I enter the Windows setup there is some unallocated space on the primary partition that Fdisk didn't show. This shows up in Partition Magic also along with the Windows setup. The first time it was 7.8 MB, not a big deal. The 2nd time it is 180 MB, a BIG deal! Others mentioned that Windows needs space for the setup files (that get deleted after setup), but isn't that within the partition wher the O/S gets loaded? This unallocated space isn't formatted so it can't be used, right? I don't know what I'm doing wrong unless it is some quirk with this bootable CD. BTW, I'm using FAT32

I did use Fdisk to delete and recreate 2 partitions and used the Windows setup to format, but that 8MB was still there. When you say "pick the unformatted one" I assume you mean the one you made active, since all partitions are unformatted after using Fdisk.

There is a problem with the drive. I used the erase utility to wipe the drive which gave me another error in the last 10% of the drive. Up to that point there were no bad sectors. I used the Windows setup to partition and format the drive and that 8MB space did show. I tried to partition that, but Windows barked at me stating it was needed for setup or something like that. I guess because the drive has a problem was where that 180MB chunk came from. I just don't know why I didn't see this before.

I use System Suite formerly from Ontrack, now vCom that used TrendMicro's antivirus's definitions. Also McAfee is suppose to be better. I did use it once and it found something System Suite didn't, but it is a hog also (no where near as bad as Norton!) BTW, System Suite virus updates are free!

What antivirus program are you running? Hope it's not Norton! Way too bloated!!

I'm trying to image a drive running Drive Image 2002 and Win 2k I get these error messages: "Exit code 12 must be run from DOS or rescure disk" "Drive Image NT.EX.EXE generated errors and will be closed" There is a FAQ on this at their site: http://www.powerquest.com/support/primus/id785.cfm "There are not enough free sectors in the first track" The partition is FAT32 5GB, the 2nd partition is FAT32 55GB (or there abouts). There is less than a GB that I'm trying to image. The drive was orginally formatted NTFS, but I reinstalled 2k and changed to to FAT32 since I am leary of access to NTFS. The formatting was done from the Windows CD, not Fdisk BTW.

If it was my machine I would do it your way, but it isn't . I'll let it go. There are no problems AFAIK. I got to get the box back to him soon anyways. Much thanks...............

Why not? Same file system.

Did you use NTFS on the other MB? Doubt it's the MB though.

It sounds as you are saying the MBR is corrupted. If I do the MBR deal would I be able to use that image file I already have as I really don't want to reload everything again since this is all FAT32? I was typing as you were completing your 'continued' part. Drive Image does work in Windows except when it is imaging a active partition, then it creates a virtual floppy. That was the big change from the last version where it only created a bootable floppy to use in DOS, NO Windows interface.

No overlay software. If I remember correctly I did delete the partition and recreate it and the extended aprtition. The formatting was done on the 2nd partition within Windows because of the size of the 2nd partition.

Quote: Earlier today (Sunday) I spent about 30 mins adding another reply, only to find that when I went to submit it, I got 'session invalid' and the whole lot was lost! It's happened to me. Try hitting the back button and do a copy/paste and start a new reply next time. I do have a couple of bootable floppies BTW. If I use the Maxtor utility and write zero's to the drive, Fdisk this, repartition and format can I use the Image file to restore the previous image or will there be problems because of theis unknown problem? BTW, there is no known problem within Windows that I can see other than this unallocated space (which isn't a big loss I realize) and the fact I can't use Drive Image from the Windows interface (onlt from the floppy).

Quote: I presume that the PM figures should be GB, not MB? No.......... 5,000 GB? That would be a REALLY large drive wouldn't it? It's not there in Disk Management. Yes, it doesn't add up. Both partitions are FAT32. If I wipe the drive with zero's or whatever Maxtor has to offer and used the image of the drive that I have already made and restored the image after I repartitioned and formatted, would that work? Or, because I imaged the drive the way it is now, would it still cause problems? I assume it is because the drive was NTFS before has something to do with all of this. As I said I'm not comfortable with NTFS yet. Not to say I will never use it, but I didn't want to jump ships at this time especially with someone else's box which this is. If I have to troubleshoot something I have to know how to do it and with NTFS I would guessing.

I reinstalled Win 2k from a bootable CD, but I didn't have my bootable floppy w/ Fdisk so I did it through the Windows CD instead. The HDD was 60GB that I wanted to partition 5/55 and was formatted with NTFS orginally that I wanted to change back to FAT32 I deleted the partition, created a 5GB partition, it gave me a choice of FAT32 or NTFS which I choose FAT32 then it made it active with no choice. When I went to the 2nd partition the only choice was NTFS! There was no FAT32! I tried it again, deleting both partitions and starting over, but wound up at the same place; a choice for the primary partition, but no choice for the 2nd partition. I never set a system up that way, always using good old Fdisk before, but since I wasn't home and had all my tools at my disposal, this is what I was stuck with. Did I do something wrong or is it you just can't do what I wanted using the Windows CD, or is it a bug?? (not that M$ has any of those, mind you) I'm sure it doesn't matter, but this is on a Phony.....er, Sony Vaio system.

Disk Management reports of this 60GB drive: C: 4.97 GB D: 50.91 GB Partition Magic reports: C: 5,098 MB D: 52,148 MB Unallocated 7.8 MB

This 'unallocated space' shows connected to the primary partition in Partition Magic. This was partitioned using the Windows setup.