Windows Defender + Windows 2000

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Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 11/02/06 03:31 PM

Don't know if any of you guys have tried yet but the final version of Windows Defender does not install on Windows 2000 due to a limitation in the .MSI.

If you download Orca (MSI editor) (go to google and type in ORCA.ZIP + MSI).

Then download Windows Defender.

Now install Orca.

Open the Windows Defender.MSI with Orca.

Go to "Launch Condition".

On the right-hand side of the screen you'll see: "VersionNT > 500". Right click on this value and choose CUT.

Now save the file and run it.

Like the previous Beta of Defender you'll need GDI+:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/detai...;displaylang=en

Copy this .dll to your \WINNT\System32 directory.

I just finished installing Windows Defender, it just finished updating and I am now running a spyware scan.

Enjoy!

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 11/14/06 01:32 AM

I'm not sure what you're saying here, DosFreak. Are you saying that the incompatibility of Defender with Win2K can be completely overcome by downloading and installing Orca?

At the last count, you'd just finished doing a spyware scan, so how has Defender run since then? Is it truly bug-free, under Win2K?

I'm rather sceptical because I've just read at Microsoft's website that Defender is categorically incompatible with Win2K. In fact, Defender will only run properly under Windows Server 2003, WinXP and (presumably) Vista.

Actually, as a Win2K user myself, I successfully used MS Antispyware, the predecessor of Defender. So, I'm really annoyed that Microsoft have decided not to make Defender suitable for Win2K.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 11/14/06 03:50 AM

There is no incompatibility. I've been using Defender Beta 2 on Windows 2000 since it came out. (It was actually stated by MS that Defender would run on Windows 2000, I'll see if I can find where they stated that).

Yep, the Defender installed fine, the scan ran and finished.

ORCA is just an Windows Installer editor. (Windows Installer being the program that Defender is packaged in). It looks like MS packaged Defender and simply stated a requirement of XP/2003 and anything less than that will not install. Unless that is you remove the requirement using Orca.

Yes, It's pretty hard for MS to make programs incompatible with Windows 2000 since 2000 and XP are pretty much the same OS in many ways. In this case (and in many others) it's just a matter of removing the requirement from the installer.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 12/19/06 05:48 PM

Ooops, looks like I said Installshield up above. It's actually Windows Installer.

Changed the above to avoid confusion.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 12/27/06 06:12 AM

Does this mean IE7 will also install on windows 2000?

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 12/27/06 09:34 AM

Originally Posted By: cyber111

Does this mean IE7 will also install on windows 2000?

NO, does this mean that Microsoft *may* have a Win 2K version of IE7 down the road, highly unlikely since they have publically said only Windows XP Home/Pro users will be able to install IE7.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 12/30/06 01:55 AM

Are they coming out with a version for Win 2000? Wha't the game like?

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 12/31/06 05:30 PM

Hi DosFreak

I’m a total newbee to this forum and found your article via Google. Tried it and am successfully running Windows Defender on Windows 2000 – Thank you very much for your advice – I wouldn’t have a clue how to do this with out you taking the time to post it.. so your help is genuinely very much appreciated!

Any tips on how to get Windows Media Player 11 and Internet Explorer 7 working on Windows 2000? Perhaps I should change over to Firefox instead of worrying about IE7 as Microsoft doesn’t seem interested in supporting their existing 2000 customers anymore.

Any views or suggestions you would like to offer would again be very much appreciated.

Regards and many thanks
Derek

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 12/31/06 06:32 PM

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Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/01/07 05:30 AM

For some unknown reason I opened up Defender today and was greeted with "beta testing is over.See ya around, win2k loser"
WTF? Luckily enough I had seen something about Gates screwing over us lowly 2k users on this matter on digg. Or was it /. ???
Anyways thnx Dosfreak. Your Info worked like a charm. <cheers>
Like a previous poster,I too wonder if this trick will work on media 11.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/01/07 04:50 PM

Thanks DosFreak.It realyy erks me that MS would deliberately try to ban Win2k users from updating. Keep up the good work.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/01/07 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: $lugg0

Thanks DosFreak.It realyy erks me that MS would deliberately try to ban Win2k users from updating. Keep up the good work.

I understand your fustration, however, since Microsoft now considers this a LEGACY OS then what else should they do from a business standpoint ?!?

Not that I wouldn't mind if their new software releases would work on Win 2K as I think it's a pretty darn good and stable OS, but at some point the support factor has to stop and the company needs to move forward with their future products.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/01/07 06:29 PM

I haven't tried IE7 or WMP11 on 2000 yet. I might mess around if I get bored. I'm suprised that the guys on the MSFN forums haven't bothered yet actually.

Defender was easy since it always worked on 2000 and it was just a simple check in the installer that needed to remove. IE7 and WMP11 are likely much more complicated.

I'm pretty busy testing Vista compatibility ATM and I never did like IE or WMP that much anyways so as I stated above...only if I get really really bored.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/01/07 10:13 PM

Originally Posted By: jmmijo

Originally Posted By: $lugg0

Thanks DosFreak.It really erks me that MS would deliberately try to ban Win2k users from updating. Keep up the good work.

I see your point but when all that is needed is the removal of one check in the installer it shouldn't be that big of a deal. It leaves me with the impression that MS just wants people to upgrade and spend more money which for me is not necessary. Win2k is all I'll ever need on this machine for the forseable future. My laptop and the new MCPC I'm building use XP and I don't see me upgrading to Vista for them any time soon either.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/02/07 12:57 AM

You're right, you shouldn't have to be forced to upgrade, however, I do see where Microsoft would want to limit what kinds of new apps/features you have access to on a Legacy OS so they can sell more of their new OS's. I mean if many/most users knew how to hack things like IE7/WMP11 to run on Win 2K, why would they want to both upgrading their current OS ?!?

But I'm also a Microsoft whore to some degree, I like messing about with their latest and greatest software/apps etc to see what it does and if it's something I will be getting when it's released. Mostly this is due to my job in that I'm a system builder and need to know these things and how they work with the hardware systems I build

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/04/07 07:44 AM

Have tried the ORCA d'load, etc, then rune the amended version yet encountered ERROR 2356 towards the end of the Defender's installation.

Any suggestions?

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/04/07 01:38 PM

I hard someone else had the same problem. They said used "save as" instead of "save" like they were supposed to.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/20/07 05:20 AM

Dear Dosfreak,

Cheers, you are such a star, I can't thank you enough. I really am so gratetful for this nugget - Windows Defender is now up & running perfectly on my W2K machine.

I was so pissed when I turned on my machine on the 2nd of this year... I could see no need why they should artifically lock me out of using a much needed product. It's their shitty web browser that has such a lack of security that makes such a program so necessary... don't punish us, the end user, ffs?!

I hope that this new install isn't time limited, like the others all were, I don't wanna go through all this again.

PS I think the MS AntiSpyware was quite a better program on a number of fronts, at least it didn't remove my Kazza installation without asking, like Defender did?!

PPS just to let you know I came across this thread via a check on Wikipedia - thanks again

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 01/20/07 01:20 PM

Yeah, a big thing about Defender from what I heard in an MS interview is that they want Defender to do it's thing behind the scenes with little intervention from the user. I've noticed this since I barely ever get any popups from Defender but when I check out the event log there are alot of entries from Defender. Only occasionally will Defender itself popup when something really serious happens.

Of course whenever I do a full scan with Defender it never finds anything any way which is why I keep spybot installed.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/25/07 08:41 PM

Windows 2000 - all updates

Had old copy of Beta version and uninstalled it. Installed new Defender as you suggested. Works fine with the initial definitions - thanks.

I'm now running into trouble with the definition updates though. They load in but don't install.

I get one of two errors:

Installation Failure
Error Code: 0x800B0109

or:

The program can't install definition updates
Error found: Code 0x80070643

appreciate any ideas

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/25/07 11:53 PM

I've seen this happen on XP as well occasionally. I usually go to windowsupdate and download the definitions and I think it works then.

IIRC, there's also a command line command you run in your Defender directory that removes all definitions and redownloads the definitions again.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/26/07 06:56 PM

This is the Definition Version that shows on the bottom of the screen in Defender:

Definition version: 1.0.0.0 created on 1/25/2006 at 2:29 PM.

Look at the Defender directory I found a bunch of dll's and these:

MpCmdRun.exe
MSASCui.exe
MsMpEng.exe

I ran MpCmdRun.exe and it ran at the command line then dissappeared quickly.

Running update again resulted in the same problem - can't install.

I ran MsMpEng.exe with similar results.

Seems pretty subborn.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/26/07 07:29 PM

I should have mentioned that running the command line routine did not remove the definitions. Defender still can run them.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/26/07 09:33 PM

Got the CLU to pause and was partially copied below. The problem seems to be that you can run it from the command line like this:
C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MpCmdRun.exe
But not like this:
C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MpCmdRun.exe -RemoveDefinitions / -All

In fact the program doesn't want to run with any modifiers including:
C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MpCmdRun.exe -? / -h

Code:


Usage:
mpcmdrun.exe [command] [-options]

    Command                            Description
   -? / -h                         Displays all available options for this tool
   -Trace [-Grouping] [-Level]     Starts diagnostic tracing
   -RemoveDefinitions [-All]       Restores the installed signature definitions
                                   to a previous backup copy or to the original
                                   default set of signatures
   -RestoreDefaults                Resets the Windows Defender registry
                                   settings to known good defaults
   -SignatureUpdate                Checks for new definition updates
   -Scan [-ScanType]               Scans for malicious software
   -GetSWE                         Exports information about software installed
                                   on your computer
   -GetFiles                       Collects support information

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/26/07 11:13 PM

I "Updated" installation (not definitions) from Control Panel and got (MpCmdRun.exe -RemoveDefinitions -All) to work:

C:\Program Files\Windows Defender>MpCmdRun.exe -RemoveDefinitions -All

Service Version: 1.1.1593.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1603.0
AntiSpyware Base Signature Version: 1.0.0.0
AntiSpyware Delta Signature Version: 1.0.0.0

Starting engine and signature rollback to default...Done!

Service Version: 1.1.1593.0
Engine Version: 1.1.1603.0
AntiSpyware Base Signature Version: 1.0.0.0
AntiSpyware Delta Signature Version: 1.0.0.0

Ran "Update Definitions" from program but got same error message:
The program can't install definition updates
Error found: Code 0x80070643

What could be causing this?

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/26/07 11:41 PM

Experiencing the same behavior with an XP desktop at work and one of my users called me today about his XP laptop.

Great MS, first we had the Beta 2 ver of Defender erroring out on bootup and now definitions don't install. Sigh.

I'd say the best fix is to uninstall this POS program......

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/27/07 05:29 AM

The posts in this list by "sjk" might make some sense to you:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/tree/browse_frm/thread/8990e0cb0b68985c/ecc4789bb1e4d938?rnum=1&q=0x80070643+defender&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmicrosoft.public.windowsupdate%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F8990e0cb0b68985c%2Fecc4789bb1e4d938%3Flnk%3Dgst%26q%3D0x80070643%2Bdefender%26rnum%3D1%26#doc_1b5ee63bd04d3473

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 03/04/07 02:48 PM

Pretty strange.

About a week ago I disabled the "automatic" feature of the updates then tried a few times again to manually download and install the definition update - and had no luck (installation failed).

A week or so later I tried the manual update attempt from Defender again - but this time it installed as it should have. So now things appear to be functional.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 04/04/07 04:45 PM

I just tried this on the latest version of Defender and it still works.
Installed and downloaded the definitions and it's scanning.

More and more on XP/Vista (and I guess 2000 desktops as well although I don't use them that often).

I've been having to perform the following steps whenever Defender does not want to download definitions:

Start/Run/CMD
Surf to the Windows Defender directory in Program Files
type in MPCMDRUN -RemoveDefinitions -All
Net stop "Windows Defender"
Net start "Windows Defender"
Go to Windows Update and download the definitions. (Doing it through Defender the first time doesn't seem to work).

I just installed the latest Defender on 2000 and suprisingly it immediately downloaded the updates after install. Amazing.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 07/27/07 09:35 PM

Tried this last week and the modification and installation worked perfectly. Defender updated the definitions automatically and a full scan went without a hitch using the definitions of 18/7. Updayed today with definitions of 24/7, but now I can only carry out a quick scan- a full scan stops after a few minutes and I get a warning with code 0x8050800c. Rebooted- same result........... Ran Norton's Win Doctor, defragged......... still the same result. Full scans on XP using the same definitions worked flawlessly.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 07/28/07 06:55 AM

Hmmm, make sure your running the latest ver of Defender and check you event log for the error. It may show the file it gets hung up on.

IIRC, the quick scan only checks a few locations whereas the full scan scans the entire disk so there may be a file that's locked and it cannot scan.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 08/14/07 05:17 PM

Despite several cleanups, Defender updates etc I still get hangups when running a full scan. This file is the culprit:
HKCU@S-1-5-21-861567501-1993962763-839522115-500\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\ZoneMap\Domains\elitemediagroup.net

Have been unable to find it with regedit, though.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 02/05/08 01:00 AM

Right - now does anyone know how to get MSN Messenger 7.5 running on Windows 2000?

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 04/16/08 02:51 PM

Well despite the OP being in 2006 this still works as I have just got Defender back up and running - belated thanks DosFreak.

Re: Windows Defender + Windows 2000 - 04/17/08 12:54 AM

heh. You can thank MS for that. They haven't done any development on Defender for a long time and probably never will. I'm guessing their OneCare service is the replacement.

I still leave Defender enable on my systems but it's probably not worth the cycles and memory it takes up.