Curious if windows XP will be worth to upgrade to

i am curious if windows XP personal or pro. version will be worth to upgrade to from win2k pro ? Like some of the games that didnt work in win2k pro to work in windows XP maybe. Like may nascar revoultion , twisted mental 2, and sim theme park hehe.
And if windows XP will really be any faster on anything , etc
or will it just be more bloated , slower , use more ram , etc than win2k?

please reply
thanks

I don't know if it will resolve your game problems or not but according to what I have heard it should. Also it will use a little more ram than win2k but it runs much faster already and it is only supposed to get faster still.

[This message has been edited by Four and Twenty (edited 25 February 2001).]

How much faster we talking here please?
curious
cause win2k isnt that slow and i bet windows whistler isnt as stable as win2k was in beta

urg..

1) Get XP Pro always
2) Games that worked in win2k + a lot more work in XP
3) You need like maybe a little more RAM, 128 + is awesome
4) Bloated? ahaha, I love when people say "bloated" about as OS, when of course you can't bloat an OS, because there will always be things you can do to it.

Overall, win2k is bullsh1t compared to XP. And when XP is done, that'll be just the icing on the cake

You want to know details about the speed of it? XP 2428 takes 40 seconds to get to the login screen and another 8 to get to the desktop. Results may very but i think that that is very fast considering the load that i put on it. And what is really quite amazing is its multitasking ability you can easily start running many apps before the os has finished all your startup apps. You can get a whole mess of programs open and it still runs smooth as hell even with all of the nice graphics and alpha blending enabled. It run Graphics and audio like it was beos. They have improved the thumbnail viewing speed dramatically. Just speed in general browsing your computer is faster programs load faster. Network browsing is faster. XP is well worth the upgrade because it is the best OS ever created.

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My System
Dell Demension XPS T500
Triple Boot
Windows 2000 Pro 2195
Windows Whistler Pro 2428
Windows Millennium Final Retail
PIII @ 500 Mhz (with after market heatsink and dual fan)
512 Megs Ram
Guillemot Maxi Gammer Cougar (TNT2 M64 w/ 32 Megs of RAM)
Matrox Millennium PCI (w/ 4 Megs of RAM for second monitor)
3Com Etherlink XL 10/100 Ethernet Card
2 x Abit Hot Rod Pro ATA-100 RAID Controlers
2 x 12.6 Gig Maxtor Hard Disks RAID 0 (for system)
1 76.3 Gig Maxtor Hard Disk (for storage)
40X LG CD Rom Drive
100 Mb Iomega Internal Zip Drive
MS Explorer Mouse
MS Natural Keyboard Pro
And not a single piece of software that I actually own

I don't think it will be worth upgrading to XP from Win9x/Me for hardcore gamers, period. But if anyone wants to compare framerates/3dmark scores to my O/C'd 1.7GHz PIV - WinMe system, im game. But other than that, if you're not into raw speed and little baby toys that slow down your system, then you'll love it for sure.

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BTW, i'm runnin XP right now on this system

[This message has been edited by Questionnaire (edited 26 February 2001).]

anyone that sticks with that for "hardcore" gaming doesn't even need to have a computer, they should be buying consoles, I don't see how XP would not support the same stuff as 98/Me.

I'm not saying the support for games won't be there, just the raw speed of Win9x/Me.

And as for console's, heh, now don't go trying to sell me an X-Box now Oh, and btw, have you ever compared TV resolution to 1600x1200???

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yea, I have, but still, for raw speed, XP does just as fine as 98/Me on my machine and i'm sure when it's done, it'll be that way. I mean, gamers want compatibility, gamers want speed, don't gamers want overall performance increases (NT) and things like a full powered Fusion? (the thing that stops dll was screwing each other up).

It's dumb, but it's funny to hear that ppl will stay with 98

For one, i don't know where all these village rumors about win2k not being a gaming OS come from. If your hardware manufacturer is willing to support real operating systems and not just put out a first attempt to write win2k driver and say 'we support win2k', then most of your games should run fine. i have about 40-60 games and only a handful don't work/work improperly. Hell, i'd rather pass up on a single game than use that POS win9x. Any major game engine supports win2k.

[This message has been edited by bug_666 (edited 26 February 2001).]

What raw speed of 98/me? Be more specific...

the ram one processor speed of winME and 9x is what he is talking about. Yeah most games arent written to support SMP but when you can set the processor afinity to real-time on one and regular on the other that has a difference. You need to lay off the crack, not as fast as 9x/ME yeah gotta love that hybrid DOS operating system let me tell you. Not to mention the killer stability you have in 9x/ME too. Yup even MS thinks that ME and 9x are the future that is why they based XP on the 2k kernal duh!!

Just my .02 I love XP so far. It plays my games well after I sorted out some driver problems. The problem I have is the activation code they plan on using. To have to call MS when enough hardware changes are made (if I understand this right) is a true disaster for what promises (and appears) to be a killer OS. If they tighten the activation any further then I won't go to it. That sad for me because I pickup every new OS the MS outs out. I have a major problem when I spend money for a product and then be forced to register it. That should be my choice. The company I work for is keeping a close watch on this and if nothing changes then Win2k and Off2k will be the last new MS product we buy. Remember the stink about PIII's. Lets see if MS is as smart as intel.

First:
You need to change a heloo of a lot of your hardware before re-activation is required.
Even if you do the actual re-activation will be seamless if you have Internet access or take you five minutes over the phone.
If it stops such questions as 'Why won't Diablo II run on my copy of MS 2000 Advanced Server' or 'How do I update my ***** copy of Win2k' then I'm all for it.
Secondly, you will not need to go through such registration in a company environment.
MS are quite aware that 300 workstations all running WinXP and requiring registration would be a technological nightmare.
The large volume/bulk purchases will be different.

Intel never had a significant drop in sales due to the processor serial number.
The drop in sales came when a rival company released a CPU that was a whole generation newer than what Intel had to offer.
As always, nobody is forcing you to buy WindowsXP.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head and demanding you purchase a MS OS.
If you feel that strongly about it, talk with your wallet and simply don't buy it.
MS are not going to loose sleep over this.

How much of a change to the hardware before a re-register remains to be seen. I have yet to see the limits or scope of such change ... or than speculation. If you have concrete information on the exect specs from MS on such a change please let me know. I'm suer it will ease others in their decisions.

Agreed, intel didn't lose becuase of the processor serial nimber because they changed it before mass production started. In fact it was televised on every news station. Why? People want their privacy. No thats wrong ... they demand it! While MS may not care becuase of all the $$$ they have, if enough people scream will they not listen? Then again if your the king of the world who cares heh!

The reason I've brought up Intel and tied it to MS is the simple fact that people want their privacy and will moan and groan to get it. They will also will not purchase a product becuase of it. Lets face it, how many people out there; who BTW know little of this activation scenerio, will say "I'm not getting that so MS can look in my machine". When in fact they aren't really looking (I hope) at all. Its a users perception that will sell this product and you know how that goes. If youv'e worked with enough users you know what I mean.

I think that MS is one hell of a company. Unlike some, I feel that they put out great products. I also think people need to remember that this isn't DOS. The more complicated a system the greater the potential for problems. Also the greater potential for abuse. There will have to be some way to monitor the business end of this because as you say, if corporate America has a different version that dosn't require registration it won't be long before Johnny ***** is running it too. Kinda defeats the purpose of it all dosn't it?

imtim83 - On WinXP build 2445:
Twisted Metal 2: Fail*
Nascar Revolution: Pass
Sim Theme Park (regular and Gold): Pass

* - found the problem(s) and should be fixed for beta 2 of WinXP. Had several install problems, and some severe gameplay issues.

Don't forget to submit your application bugs to Microsoft! There have been no bugs submitted yet on this app. Twisted Metal 2 would not have been fixed for WinXP if you hadn't mentioned it!

I have 3 computers in my house. How can I afford to buy 3 copies of Win XP at 100 to 200 dollars apiece when there is a $600 video card lurking on the horizon AHHHHHH! Time to find a cheaper passion. Hmmm Hookers maybe?
LATER

"if corporate America has a different version that dosn't require registration it won't be long before Johnny ***** is running it too. Kinda defeats the purpose of it all dosn't it?"

That's the risk corporate America is going to have to take.
They aren't going to be handing the corporate editions out to just anybody.
They will know who they gave a copy too and if that copy is found on a *****z site it wont take them long to trace it and take whatever action they decide to.

some people are naive

I don't see the big commotion over the activation stuff. Someone will provide a crack/hack for it. Problems solved.

yes, I finally agree with him

it has been mentioned several times that this activation is meant to deture casual copying of software so businesses wont just install one copy over a network and you wont get johhny sharing it with the whole neighborhood. As for the w*arez side of this it is already known and half admitted that there will be cracks and hacks and they can't stop it.

The activation scheme s-u-c-k-s, big time. Who knows how well it will handle not yet available hardware? I have better things to do than to call MS and ask for forgivness everytime I put in a new card in my PC. What's next - you have to pay a fee per document in Word or connect to and pay Intel if you manage to overclock your CPU ?

RattDawg is right to the point, I also have 3 PC:s on a LAN and think it should be (almost) legitimate to install it there. Sure, crcks will take care of that but still. Besides, say I had a laptop and a desktop not used at the same time, that would certainly make it feel legitimate to only pay once for the OS.

But back to the topic - is it worth an upgrade ? I didn't really see that much new and exciting in it. (2410 tested, don't tell me there is 400 MB of new code since then) Maybe I'm missing something but to me it appeared to be pretty much same silly PR stuff as the W98-Wme upgrade crap. Luna might be cool but hey, there are skins galore as shareware, Next start being the best IMHO. What else - boot a few seconds faster for 200 bucks ? 3 fps more in Quake, or what is this faster we really are talking about ?

This said I have to admit I'll propably buy a copy anyhow just because its newer than W2k. But that is entirely because of a rational defect I have.

H.

what an idiot you are buddy..

don't use xp if you don't want to activate it.

If I was in the same position, I would also put that kind of crap on my applications with all of the stealing that goes on.

You guys are basically saying

"We don't want to pay for software, yet we get mad when they try to stop that"

not to mention your clueless comments, you don't even know the end results and your assuming, it's funny stuff. Not to mention that your also clueless about what's new in whistler, which is basically, win2k multiplied by 10.

lamers


[This message has been edited by jdulmage (edited 01 March 2001).]

Wow, that was a lot of hard fact arguments coming from the same guy who stated "for raw speed, XP does just as fine as 98/Me on my machine and i'm sure when it's done, it'll be that way."

H.

Now that you gotten the usual flame response from the most popular guy here ::cough::, perhaps you would like a more helpful opinion.

As for as going from 98 to XP goes, this is a big deal. XP certainly has more stabability than 9x/ME does, and, supposedly, will have speed comparable to it assuming you have a decent about of ram (128+). XP will also support hardware that 2K did not in the past. How much more is open to question, but I would take a guess that MS is going for as much 9x compatability as possible.

Justifying a move from Windows 2K is tougher. If all your programs work to your satisfaction in 2K, the upgrade to XP may not be worth the money. Also, if stabability is a concern, even the final release of WinXP will probably not be as solid as 2K is now, until it goes through the usual set of service packs.

If you're a business that is using active directory, you might have to go to XP, as MS has said that a huge bug discovered 12 months ago in active directory will only be fixed by upgrading to XP.

Also, if you have a decent sized network, you know what a pain it is to upgrade all those machines to a new MS OS (or any OS for that matter). Double that if you have domain servers and the like. So that has to be weighed into consideration as well.

As for activation, in its current form, it's easily bypassed. If you prefer, buy one copy, and just apply a crack/whatever to the rest of the copies you want to install on your network. Right now, all you have to do is change an easy-to-find registry key. Note I wouldn't try this if you're a legitimate business...from what I've seen, MS will find you.

That's my take on the subject.

You guys must not know how to install a OS right, because I can O/C my PIV to 1600MHz++, warm it back up and play some QIII, UT, browse then net, play with my website, all while listening to some MP3's and not have a single crash all day on WinMe. As far as XP is concerned, I get lockups just sittin there doing nothing on my O/Ced systems, less stable then WinMe from this POV.

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[This message has been edited by Questionnaire (edited 01 March 2001).]

oops, aren't you running a beta? man, you guys are stupid. How about making some judgements after it's finished? losers

Oh... So thats why people complain about Win9x being so unstable....They're still running the beta of it.

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uhm...

this is a Windows XP forum section, not WinMe, who said anything about that?

I was talking about XP, I couldn't care about winme, win2k, winnt, they all suck

It sure is easy to tell da sucka that buys into MS propaganda. But the question remains why buy three copies of an OS for three computers that I own in my home. I don't think the question here is the integrity of the beta.
Later

I agree with RattDawg. Why do you have to buy a copy of an OS for each computer in your home? Is Microsoft trying to rob us blind?
Maybe its their scheme for world domination!

guess ya never heard what they plan to do to make sure you don't have to pay for it like that...

oh well, pointless even telling you, you can wait until RTM

To the tune of "The Real Slim Shady"

Would the guy, jdulmage, please shut up
please shut up.

Look, MS has screwed up with the authentication codes on other products before, not necessarily Windows, but Office. People have reported not being able to use the software on a different computer, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON. Hopefully, MS will get this straighted out by the time XP comes to market, or there will be a lot of angry consumers. That could give the Mac OS and Linux a jump on MS. MS does have a right to have authentication codes for their software and OSs, they'd be insane not to, however these codes should not prevent the home user from installing it on all of their computers, regardless of how many they may own.
There's gonna have to be a lot more than what MS is advertising for XP. I bought into ME and got bit hard for it. ME has a lot of things regarding compatability and installing items that should be a choice of the user, specifically the Movie Maker program. System Restore is a good idea, but Im gonna turn it off if it takes up too much space. Stability and ME are two things that do not go together. Hopefully, MS will not screw up this big with XP. Right now, 2000 is very good, and I see no compelling reason to upgrade to XP, especially after my encounter with ME. This is my opinion, and I will continue to advertise it until I am convinced otherwise that XP is a worthwhile upgrade from 2000.

bwahahahahaha, I think i'll stop posting here before I die laughing, lame thread anyways

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Dude jdulmage if you stopped posting then this forum would be like dead since you account for well more then half of the posts here. We can't have that happen....

HAHAHAHHAAHHAHA if jdulmage leaves then where will i get my daily dose of laughter from?

I think XP will be worth upgrading too if your a home user. Awesome stability, great performance, nice compatibility....

yeah, and since you were not here long enough to even know, don't even post my post count, you peon.

if you wanted me to continue posting, you made that choice.

Vampyr, your right, where would you get it from? I may have a lot of certificates, a lot of experience and knowledge in computers, as well as money....haha, so i'm not stupid nor am I computer illerate, I just don't use my knowledge wisely in this forum.

Never has never will
Brian I got bit by the Me thing too. Ran Me from Beta two until the last rc. They were all great until the last release canidate. Well silly me ran out and bought it once it hit the shelve figuring that Microsoft surely would have worked out the bugs before releasing it. Boy, was I wrong. So although XP is looking really strong Im more than a little gun-shy. Add the security features and 8)

yeah, and since you were not here long enough to even know, don't even post my post count, you peon.>>

jdulmage: Sorry bud but I've been around alot longer then you

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jdulmage
Registered: Oct 2000

Do the math. Also notice I don't come in here and average 5 garbage posts a day. I read what people have to say NOT bash what people have to say.

Okay i don't get the point here but trial and error is my secret