Red Hat, oops, I mean Fedora still sucks...
Posted 05 January 2005 - 05:53 PM
P.S. I am not sure it I posted my Mandrake 10.0 experience. It was a little better than Fedora but it is still based on the Red Hat/rpm model which I am starting to despise. I didn't like the corporate money grab attempts from the website. It wasn't that great that I would pay for support or anything else from them. Overall, I thought Mandrake 10.0 was ugly and confusing. I don't know why it is so popular. So far Suse is winning my 'desktop' but I find it lacking in cutting edge software and mutimedia. Stay tuned...
Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:01 PM
They just did, it's called ProMepis!
You can also use apt-get with SuSE. I use it all the time. Fedora Core three also offers XFCE DE which is very fast and good on resources. I used Apt-get RPM from RH 8 all the way through FC2, and it always worked as well as Apt-get Debian for me. I'm sure they have the FC3 apt repositories up by now. Maybe the Nvidia modules are in some of those repositories.
Posted 05 January 2005 - 11:32 PM
1. ProMepis costs money, I would prefer to try before I buy, even if I did have the money.
2. My machine is not THAT slow! It is a PIII/733, 80GB Seagate @ ata66, 512/133 SDram, nVidia GeForce FX 5200/128MB, fast PPPoe dsl, etc...
3. I will be building a very fast/new machine as soon as my money situation improves (see 2.)
4. Do other Debian/apt based distros use the same or have their own repositories?
5. Last but not least, I decided to go with the lastest Debian 'sarge' release WHICH IS 15 ISO'S, instead of 3.0 r3. I vont cutting edge, if something acts up I will fix or remove it! Probably the latter since I am not THAT good yet.
P.S. I will give Ubuntu (gotta love that funny name) a 'whirl' if I don't like Debian. Thankyou both for your suggestions and comments.
Posted 06 January 2005 - 01:00 AM
@1 - I liked Stormix (Rest In Peace), Xandros, and Libranet, all of which are pay-for Debian-based distros. The cool thing about these distros is that you get proprietary tools (installers, control panel apps, etc) and support (if needed) from the respective companies.
@2 - Yes, it's slow ;-). It should work fine, but remember that all of those bells and whistles in the new interface take up CPU cycles. I prefer to use Fluxbox on all of GUI machines for this reason.
@3 - Cool.
@4 - The best thing about Debian is that you can shift from feed to feed (the place you get your packages from) or combine them (such as your normal Debian feed from your vendor, plus a feed for custom KDE packages). Debian is my second fav distro, closely behind Gentoo. As for 15 ISOs, that doesn't make any sense. You should just need disk 1, partition and format your disk, and then install packages from the CD and your feed (assuming you get online during installation).
@5 - Ubuntu is cool, and I believe the installer is fairly intuitive (it's all a blur since I have installed Linux about two dozen times in the last few weeks). I installed it from an ISO, but I just got my free CDs from them last week and haven't setup a new VM for it.
Posted 06 January 2005 - 04:34 AM
Re:1. Very low on money right now (*sigh*).
Re:2. I wish you guys would get off the 'slow' thing. The only reason I mentioned anything is the obvious resource hunger of KDE compared to Gnome. Somebody should trim the fat from KDE before it explodes! Don't get me wrong, I actually prefer KDE. My computer works just fine. You would not believe what I do on this thing (archive, decode/encrypt very large files etc.). I had an AMD 'thunderbird' core 1733MHz/1GB 233 ddr pile of junk I built from new parts. I do the same tasks, if not more on this PIII/733. The AMD would lag and kahk alot under pressure. I was anti-Intel for awhile but after realizing anything that runs as hot as an AMD chip will have a shorter life span and be prone to making errors. I don't think this computer has gave me a single problem. It is an IBM 6565rbu. Built like a brick outhouse. I like IBM's, never had any trouble with them. This is my second IBM (Bimmer II). I use and abuse it and it never complains. Of course some extra custom cooling always helps.
Re:4. The fact that Debian is so package 'flexible' is very appealing. Thankyou for that information. Re: "As for 15 ISOs, that doesn't make any sense." Check this out:
I think I will stick to a trouble free disk install for now, thankyou very much. I tried the online install which did not give a pppoe setup option. The setup assumes everbody is on cable with a fixed IP or you want to spend a week using a dialup modem.
P.S. I don't care how bad some people say the Debian installer is, once I am up and running, I will be enjoying thousands of packages on what I hear is a stable Linux with much less 'dependancy' headaches!
What is the 'native/default' desktop for Debian? Why do you prefer Gentoo? Do I ask too many questions?
Posted 06 January 2005 - 05:07 AM
Posted 06 January 2005 - 05:36 AM
Posted 06 January 2005 - 05:38 AM
use sid. it's as current as it gets... well maybe not as current as gentoo.
Posted 06 January 2005 - 05:06 PM
Win2k sp2 is the last Micro$lop product I will ever use. Good riddance to bad rubbish! I have already switched from hotmail to http://www.linuxmail.org/scripts/common/index.main?signin=1〈=us
P.S. This is the whole point of my distro trials. Find a nice comfortable 'shoe' that fits!
Posted 06 January 2005 - 08:31 PM
In any case, Debian is fantastic as a personal server for me, or for getting new people into Linux. It's easy to update and upgrade, and you can select what feeds you run on in exchange for "stability" (old stuff for stability, cutting edge stuff with less stability, and many levels in between).
I prefer Gentoo for all things Linux because:
1. The default installation installs almost nothing; it just boots and that's about it. I like this because I can choose to *add* packages to my install, rather than digging around the installer's package manager to add/remove things from its canned install options (web server, file/print server, desktop, etc.).
2. When I have need for certain things I can compile all new applications with the corresponding use flags, such as support for smb, alsa, ldap, etc. These are things that you might get into later on, but are not that important when starting.
3. It isn't biased to a particular desktop environment. I use Fluxbox, and I don't have to deal with the weight of KDE or Gnome being installed, nor do I have the hassle of removing them during the install process.
4. The community is awesome. I spent a great deal of time on the IRC channel a long time ago, and might return soon. Very cool people (if you have ever hit a BSD channel, then you might appreciate this ;)).
5. I love the name and logo.
With respect to the 15 discs, that *might* include a great deal of their packages for that distro. You should be able to get by with just the first disc and "apt-get install" everything else you need.
Debian, in plain vanilla form, does not favor any desktop environment (this is a good thing), while various Debian-based distros can do what they want. Xandros was KDE-based from what I remember, along with Knoppix. I can't remember what Libranet was, and I thought Stormix was Gnome. I like utilities from both environments, such a Gkrellm and K3B, but I usually don't install both sets of libraries anymore. This is personal preference, and varies from person to person.
Posted 06 January 2005 - 09:56 PM
I thought Micr$py/monopoly/gouge Corp. was funny, 'tough' room, *tap*, *tap*, *tap*, is 'thing' on?(*feedback*)
P.S. I prefer a disk install because you can not verify data integrity during a 'net' install. If something goes wrong, you have no way of 'pinpointing' the problem.
Posted 07 January 2005 - 02:29 AM
More info here: http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
This tool was originally for Red Hat Network, but the Fedora Core version support more than just Red Hat Network. Actually, it supports yum repositories, apt repositories, plain rpm directories, and Red Hat Network.
The up2date config file is located at /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and look like this:
### The default RHN (using "default" as the url means use the one in the ### up2date config file). #up2date default ### An apt style repo (the example is arjan's 2.6 kernel repo). ### The format is: ### type channel-label service:server path repo name #apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel ### Note: for apt repos, there can be multiple repo names specified (space ### seperated). ### A yum style repo. The format is: ### type channel-label url yum fedora-core-3 http://download.fedo...ore/3/$ARCH/os/ yum updates-released-fc3 http://download.fedo...pdates/3/$ARCH/ ### A local directory full of packages (a "dir" repo). For example: #dir my-favorite-rpms /var/spool/RPMS/ dir FreshRPMs /var/spool/freshrpms/ # Multiple versions of all repos except "up2date" can be used. Dependencies # can be resolved "cross-repo" if need be.
To add the FreshRPMs repository to up2date do the following:
1) Import the FreshRPMs GPG key. This is necessary because up2date is checking the GPG signature of each package
rpm --import http://freshrpms.net...RPM-GPG-KEY.txt
2) Then add the following source to /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources
yum FreshRPMs http://ayo.freshrpms...i386/freshrpms/
Now you can run up2date mplayer to install mplayer or up2date frozen-bubble in case you finished Tux Racer and need a new game
On another note, Alex Thimm http://www.atrpms.net has build nVidia RPMs for Fedora Core 3.
To add his repository to up2date:
1) rpm --import http://www.atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms
2) Add yum ATrpms http://apt.atrpms.ne...i386/at-stable/ to /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources
Originally posted by clutch:
Limited versions of Xandros and Libranet are also available for free download
1) Xandros Desktop OS Version 2 Open Circulation Edition
2) Libranet 2.8.1 Flagship Edition is now available for unlimited free trial
Posted 07 January 2005 - 07:25 AM
Posted 10 January 2005 - 04:26 AM
Once again, I was not able to 'see' my windohs 2k partition. Suse is the only distro so far, that I am able to 'see' AND access the 2k partition (this is just a matter of convenience, not having to put a cdrw in the drive to look at the same files that are still on the harddrive until I get rid of the 2k partition completely). ProMepis can wait until they have sorted their kernel problems.
P.S. In this day and age, some people just don't have the time to fool with an 'uber-geek' distro. I just want to get away from windohs for cryin' out loud (*sigh*).
Posted 10 January 2005 - 04:51 AM
Your posts crack me up. You have a way with words... oh and yes we are.
Debian is the distro for geeks, no doubt I love that I have to basicly build a system from scratch and know every detail of hardware/software and evrything in between. Custom kernels , recompiles, and viewing logs is all part of the learning expeirence. If I documented all teh stuff I've had trouble with tehn fixed. I'd be much more helpfull here. Unfortunaly I hack, fix, then forget. suse is a great choice. I've used 9.1 on test box it was good ubuntu is very good, mepis I'm gonna try out soon just for kicks I guess I'll give KDE another shot too even thogh everytime I use it I feel like I'm on a windows box. It's too busy for a gnome user of five years. I like your honesty and it's more of a technicle ex-windows users viewpoint which is refreshing, it shows teh limits of linux on the desktop I think.