[JP-]

Well having owned pretty much every nvidia card since the TNT, i suppose you could have called me an nVidiot but then i jumped the bandwagon and got an 8500. Best card ive ever owned and i wish i hadnt sold it and got a gf4, but hey

Ill definatly be buying this r300, anyone want a ti4400 ?

[Palos]

How much?

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How much?

Who were you asking that question to?

[Preacher]

[CUViper]

That's very impressive, but being the true nVidiot that I am, I hope that this will pressure nVidia into bringing the NV30 out sooner.

I haven't completely sold my soul to nVidia though... if the NV30 can't beat the r300, then I would be more than happy to buy an ATI card. However, even Anandtech says that the NV30 should be a step above even the r300...

[Preacher]

[jdulmage]

ATI has crappy drivers, I will never buy one.

My cousin has an ATI, great card, but it freezes up every game he has at one random time or another with any drivers he uses.

[JP-]

I can see youve not actually used an ATi card recently. The drivers are now good.

1 more time....the DRIVERS ARE GOOD!

Im sure that back in the early rage days they were terrible, and i think that the way the MAXX users were treated with regards to NT support was pretty terrible. But the radeon 7500/8500 drivers are great, and ive had absolutly 0 problems with them.

We need to get rid of this stupid idea that radeon drivers are crap, cos they are not.

When youve used a 7500/8500, come back and tell me they are terrible, then ill beleve you.

[DosFreak]

Don't think I'll be buying it.

I left for Class/Vacation March 3-May 4.
Bought some parts for my Computer:
GF4 Ti4600
Upgraded to PC2700 from 2400. Upgraded from 512MB to 1GB
Bought a 333 mobo.
Bought some wireless stuff.
I was then asked if I wanted to go to another class.
Left for this one on June 24th, and it will end on July 24th.


So I really only had about a week to play around with this hardware before I left. Seeing as how I've been burned by ATI in the past and I see how they regard their older products still, and the fact that Nvidia pay's EXCELLENT attention to their OGL ICD and their Linux drivers. Also the fact that the NV30 will most likely be more programable than the 9700 all leads me to wait for the NV30.....unless I get really really really REALLY gey bored and spot the 9700 laying around..then I might play around wid it 'till the superior NV30 comes out.


Who wants to place bet's that OGL v1.4 will be supported by Nvidia first and will work on all of their previous cards all the way back to the TNT1? I place $100 on the bet. ATI will probly get around to it a year after Nvidia does.

[DosFreak]

oh...I didn't even mention the power requirements of the 9700. Sorry but a card that cannot comply with the AGP spec SHOULD NOT BE BOUGHT. There are reason's why spec's are made...they are not made to be broken and bad things happen when they are. Ah, V5 series anyone? Required extra power AND it did not fit work on the i8xx series of Intel boards due to the spec.

Tsk, Tsk ATI. Trying to come too far too fast and breaking rules along the way. No, I redraw my statement on buying the 9700 if I get board. I might pick it up at the store to check it out and then return it but this card is definetly not to be used.

[Alien]

[SHS]

AlecStaar I hate tell this but ATI lookout: Here comes nVidia GF5 or what name it going get.
For now ATI has upper hand for short time.

[DosFreak]

Ahhh, I know hardware like the back of my hand: http://developer.nvidia.com/docs/IO/3121/ATT/cinefx_whitepaper.pdf

[SHS]

Oh I have been a round Alec to much beta testing (hardware and software) is enogh to drive one person nuts plus keep an eye on 3 forums and run my PVR web site hehehe.

[SHS]

The link are under my message don't you see them?.

[Mr.Guvernment]

the 8500 was the competition for the G4's.

So now we know Nvidia will be coming out with a new card to match this one, same thing u see every year (the NV30 i beleive and Maxtor has word of a 256mb card , so i would wait till cards hit 256mb before buying my next card))

ATI ontop, then nvidia, then ATI, then NIvidia!

it will always be a see-saw up and down.

just a matter of being able to get the good cards in between

i bought a 4600 cause the 128mb 8500 were crap in comparison on alot of games, and i was a PURE ATI guy before that, but i did my research., last card i had was teh all in wonder 128 RAGE PRO card 32mb one.

[sapiens74]

ATi has the same problem AMD has. They have to overcome Years of mediocre products, so they have to fight twice as hard to get the same customers.

IMO they released this card too close the the NV30.
If they could have pulled it off 3 months ago that would have been a true Geforce killer.

It will take at least 2 good leading edge Video Cards in a row to get my attention. Till then, I wish them the best

[JP-]

IM not gonna bother with this card any more

Im hoping the nv30 will have 100% free FSAA so

Why dont they just make a card that has a seperate off chip.....chip, dedicated to just doing FSAA!

Then you could have FSAA totally free.

[Preacher]

[Panther04]

FYI... from some reviews posted here a few days ago on reviews of the 9700, the starting point for their highest end card will be equal to that of Nvidia, about $399, with the low end around $130. (these are only estimates... ATI may well slash the prices to be really competitive, which means we all win!)

To all those that claim the ATI drivers are great, that may be true right now, but the main complaint I've always heard on ATI and drivers is that it takes them multiple releases to get them right, which is what keeps people from equating ATI with a good video card. While their hardware may be top of the line, if they have the same old driver problems, the card will be forgotten and left behind. It will be interesting to see if they can finally shake that with the 9700...

Nvidia on the other hand releases drivers that, for the most part, work very well out of the box and the revisions just add more value by increasing performance.