[qwerty01]

I have just passed the NT 4.0 Workstation test (just before the deadline) and I am about to start on the 2000 track. The people at this forum seem to know quite a bit about XP & I am wondering if I am doing the right thing by getting a full MCSE in 2000, or should I just get a MCP in 2000 & wait for the XP certification tests to come out? Does anyone think that XP will eventually become a full replacement for 2000?

So far I have an A+, CNA, and a MCP in NT 4.0.

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[jdulmage]

hah, if you like, run a server or something, most won't move to it (nice life)

other than that, XP blows 2000 out the door in all performance tests on this system.

trust me, I always do extensive tests on operating systems before I move to them.

anyways, that's just my system, god knows what anyone else is running.

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[BladeRunner]

Windows 2000 has been adopted by quite a few companies.
We have moved away from NT4 to Win2k on all our servers.
However we hold no interest at all in moving from Win2k to WinXP (This is from a company stand point)
The money involved in moving all the servers plus updating our CAL's just wouldn't be worth it.
I would expect most companies to follow this, if they have already adopted Win2k they are unlikely to adopt WinXP, except for new workstations.

[ThC 129]

XP is directed more at a home user and a business that hasnt upgraded to 2k yet atmosphere. It has been said XP is just a minor upgrade to 2k where blackcomb will be major. So unless a business is running nt4 servers and workstations the reason for upgrading to XP is negligable.

[jdulmage]

yeah, you realize that the explorer shell is NT 6.0 in Windows XP now eh? so it's no longer this minor upgrade. If you actually ran XP 2419 Advanced Server (impossible to find, but it's out there). You'll see that it blows away 2000 Advanced Server, with it's new server features, etc.

Minor upgrade my *** . It's the OS that it should have been and the OS that i've always wanted, win2k just didn't cut it

[Vampyr]

You do realize how much it costs to upgrade an entire companies OS? Lots! If they just upgraded to Win2k it'll probably be another 2 years before they upgrade anything else.

[qwerty01]

I agree totally that once a company spends thousands on upgrading to 2000 that they will not upgrade again for a while. What about when Microsoft has a full release of XP?? What about new companies & companies that haven't upgraded to 2000 yet? I don't believe that Microsoft will have 2 OS's in direct competition. It doesn't make financial sense to have direct competition with yourself, so Microsoft will more than likely put their full support into XP when it gets the full release out the door.


What the hell is blackcomb? If this is another codename, they should fire the guy making the codenames.

[jdulmage]

wow? so you've seen the prices of XP eh? wow, I didn't know you knew how to travel into the future.

How do you know that it's not going to be like $59 upgrade, $109 full or some crap like that?

You don't, so shut up already

[clutch]

I don't think that a company would just upgrade 1 or 2 machines. Plus upgrade costs cover:

1. Tech time
2. New hardware/software upgrades for the OS

It's easy to rack up several thousand bucks (US) just to upgrade 20-30 PCs, not including the servers.

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[bug_666]

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jdulmage:
wow? so you've seen the prices of XP eh? wow, I didn't know you knew how to travel into the future.

How do you know that it's not going to be like upgrade, 9 full or some crap like that?

You don't, so shut up already</font>

calm down already. There is a big difference between getting a single CD and putting win2k on every machine in your house(assuming you have more than one) and upgrading the entire company where you can't do that since businesses are the primary targets of BSA(Boy Scouts of America). Besides, the only reason why MS was almost giving away WinME is because not a single dumbass out there would spend 90 bucks for an oversized service packs that doesn't even do its job. Don't expect MS to do the same with XP.

[bug_666]

XP Personal is the only version that will probably be cheaper.

[ThC 129]

the codenames whistler and blackcomb are named after the 2 ski resorts outside of seattle washington.

[Shrink]

Whistler and Blackcomb are the name of 2 ski resorts outside of Vancouver, British Columbia:-)

Shrink

[DosFreak]

For business XP will be a "minor" upgrade from Windows 2000.

For Home users using the 9x line it will be "major".


What is "minor" and "major"?

[qwerty01]

Duh, jdulmage, I refuse to believe that you are a dumbass that believes that if a company upgrades their entire system or even just the servers to Win2k that they can just buy an XP upgrade that will cost $179 & expect that to be all it takes to upgrade a company. There are site licenses, per server licenses, per seat licenses..... I guess it is possible for a company that has ONE server & ONE workstation to upgrade for that cheap, but how many companies have that? I do not have to travel to the future to see that it will be expensive for a company to upgrade their equipment just a few months after they upgraded to Win2k.

*edit* So what is blackcomb? Other than a ski resort?

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[Brian Frank]

Isnt it kinda inconsiderate of MS to release a new, latest & greatest OS every 2 years? I mean, this is more of a problem for businesses than anything, because of all the techs they have to have, IT techs have to have a good knowledge and maybe have to be certified for it. If they dont then, they'll have to within the next 2 releases of Windows, or MS might drop the support for older Windows. And somewhere along the line, you'll have to upgrade the hardware...Plus, remember the licensing fees? No wonder some companies are turning to Linux or Unix.

[Vampyr]

Jdulmage... obviously you have a rather low IQ...there are more costs to upgrading than just purchasing the OS... what about the tons of money required for installation labour, planning, training of employees, possible misc hardware replacements (if need be) as well as database conversion...

[Four and Twenty]

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian Frank:
Isnt it kinda inconsiderate of MS to release a new, latest & greatest OS every 2 years? </font>

Yeah Brian perhaps innovation should stop cause it costs too much money.

[jdulmage]

yeah, let's just halt right now, and freeze the computer world forever in this state, because you know, you guys may actually have to pay something rather than stealing it for once.

[Brian Frank]

Look, if I buy an OS, I'd like to buy 1 copy, even if I have more than 1 pc. Plus, Windows, even an upgrade, is pretty pricey. The upgrade for Win2k was almost $200!
Its hard to say if people will upgrade to XP. Yeah, new pcs will ship with xp preinstalled, but for me,2k is the best os Ive run.
Oh, yeah, remember MS "innovates" whatever someone else came up with first.